Saturday, July 25, 2009

Question #6 - What does "honoring your parent" look like when...

You get older, move out of the house, get a spouse, job, life, etc...?

How do you "honor your father and mother" when they are so utterly undeserving of it? You don't respect them, like them, and/or they don't care about you?

How do you honor your parents as you get older and you don't agree with their decisions?

How do you honor your parents within a good relationship?

How do you honor your parents when there are in-laws now in the picture?

Lots of question... You gotta have an opinion (or question) in there!

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Question #5 - What should I think/do about pirating?

My question has to do with pirating, especially of music and movies. I know it's wrong, but at the same time I have a lot of stuff downloaded or obtained from friends who download. What should be my mindset for this?

Also, what should be my mindset especially with gray area, such as movies you own or friends own, or music you can easily grab off of Youtube, or stuff that you can't find in stores?


Well, I think those who have commented bring up great points! And so to add to the bigger picture of this question, I wrote a friend who has a friend in a band you might know, Death Cab For Cutie. This band member, a non-Christian who plays in this secular band wrote this back:

here's my response to the question below:

my feelings are very cut and dry on the matter: downloading music that is intended and available for purchase without paying for it is stealing. if we as artists didn't want you to pay for our work, we would go to the trouble of manufacturing CD's to be distributed to stores or uploading them to itunes, we would simply offer them to you for free at our shows or on the internet. therefore, as a general rule i would say that if an album is as available for purchase with the click of a mouse as it is for free, the 'right' thing to do would be to pay for it, not steal it.

out of print work is a tricky area, though. i often have a hard time locating some of the obscure music i'm looking for on itunes or at the record store. therefore, i don't take issue with the trading of such work on the grounds that it is not available for purchase. here's an example: we made a split 7" with a band called fiver almost 10 years ago. there were only 500 copies pressed and they sold out almost as soon as they came out of the factory. the only way to hear that recording is to a) bid for a copy on ebay or b) download a burned-from-the-vinyl copy somewhere out there on the web. as the creator of that piece of music, i would LOVE to see it available in all its glory on CD or itunes, completely remastered, cleaned up, etc. (mostly because I would like a good copy :) ). but until that day comes, i can't fault people for downloading that song for free because we have not made it available to date. i would rather my out-of-print work be traded and kept alive than have it be unavailable to our fans.

does that help?


ben


Yup, that is that "Ben" the lead singer of the band.

I asked for this because I really wanted us Christians who want non-Christians to know and love Jesus to think about what a non-christian band member really thinks. What kind of witness are we setting for non-Christians when they have stronger convictions about stealing than us. Instead of looking to us as models, they will look down on us and I think lose respect when they see us stealing music and videos. Let's consider the bigger picture. I know I struggle when I hear that people steal music. Let's honor those who have worked hard to make music we enjoy by paying for it.


Mark 12:17-18

17 Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.




I think Easton's comment pretty much sum it up: I'll include the whole thing here.

Perhaps its cause I was looking to go into the recording industry, and my some of my friends at school actually are, that I know a bit about the copywrite laws behind this, and have heard of all the effects that pirating has done to the industry itself. Essentially the major record labels are going bankrupt because of it, the recording industry is on it's deathbed, music will still happen somehow, through advertising or some other means of making money through it, but yeah we killed the industry as we know it today. So yeah here are the copywrite laws boiled down into a few sentences. It is illegal to both steal music and share music and movies. But you can share them with members of your household(immediate family). So no internet pirating; you can't share movies or music with your friends; you can't grab stuff off of youtube, they are violating copywrite laws putting it up there in the first place. If you can purchase it somewhere it probably isn't free, and you are stealing it if you take it. As far as stuff you already have already stolen or shared, the media industry has stated several times in the past that they won't press any charges if you delete all of stolen or shared stuff that you have and don't do it any longer. I think that is a pretty good deal. So yeah there really aren't any gray areas as far as I am concerned, and we should probably stay out of those anyway as a Christian, since we are to be "pure and blameless" and "shine like stars in the universe". I'm not sure if it gets any clearer then that. The ten commandments say don't steal. According to federal law piracy and sharing copyrighted materials is stealing. Therefore we are breaking one of the ten commandments if we steal or share music. If you want some more proof on the copywrite stuff, you can ask me any questions via e-mail at eastgoingeast@gmail.com. I have some friends that just went through a music business class, where they had to read through all of the legal stuff, I am just telling you what I heard from them. But I can ask them and they can tell me for sure if there are any doubts.


Well, hope that helps.

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

Question #5 - What should I think/do about pirating?

My question has to do with pirating, especially of music and movies. I know it's wrong, but at the same time I have a lot of stuff downloaded or obtained from friends who download. What should be my mindset for this?

Also, what should be my mindset especially with gray area, such as movies you own or friends own, or music you can easily grab off of Youtube, or stuff that you can't find in stores?

Sunday, July 19, 2009

Question #4 - The Purpose of Church

What is the purpose of the church/community? What makes a good community? And if you are not in a good community how much of a duty do we as Christians have to stay in that community and help change it?

Well, I guess, first of all, the question is, Is the church even needed? I remember talking to a friend who had been involved with Navigators and other college ministries, whose church experience growing up was one of boredom and monotony and politics. He had a real heart for evangelism, and didn’t see the church as the answer. He said I spend 90% of my time with non-Christians and 10% with my small group. When I told him that church was necessary and important, he looked at me like I was crazy.
I was talking to another person who for a period of time didn’t go to church but just listened to sermons on his Ipod and hang out with his Christian friends.
I was talking to another friend who went to a large mega church and while he loved the preaching and worship, even though they had been going for six years, they had no friendships in that church.
A decade or so ago, we are not really having this conversation. There was no online sermons, no large mega churches, no books that teach the church is irrelevant and unnecessary. It seems we are in the middle of a major shift that doesn’t seem like will unshift any time soon.
So, the question is appropriate. Is the church necessary? How do I do community? What is God’s desire and intention with all of this?
The first thing we need to establish is, is it necessary?
Ephesians 1:18-23
18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Paul is praying for the Ephesians and he prays that the eyes of their heart would be enlightened to know HOPE, INHERITANCE and POWER. But, he goes off on a tangent on power by illustrating it in the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ascension to the right hand of God, above all authority, powers and everything in this age and in the age to come. Everything is put under his feet. And God did one more thing, He gave him as head over the church which is His body. If Christ is the King, and his domain is the church, and this rule continues on forever, we have to believe that the church is still relevant and necessary today.
Ephesians 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

It couldn’t be more clear. Christ loved the church. Christ gave himself up for the church. Do you think the church is important?

Colossians 1:16-18
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

Chris is the above all things and then specifically, he is head of the body, THE CHURCH!

Jesus established his intent and it started with Peter.

Matt 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Not only does Christ love and die for the church, Christ is also the builder of the church. Hell will not win. We can’t forget that Jesus is the builder and it is His Church.
Church is not only important, it is necessary.
But, what about small groups? What about house churches? What about family church? Why the church?
Or, the better question is what is it about a church that makes it the kind of church that Christ is the head over?
The early church set the pattern for all churches:
Acts 2:42-47: 42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

So, what does Jesus want for his church?
And, I see seven things a church needs to be:
1. Worshipping God through song and through the teaching of the word faithfully (teaching)
2. Authority of elders to convict, correct, lead and appoint. (apostles)
3. Communion (breaking bread in church)
4. A place of prayer (prayer)
5. A place of using supernatural gifts (Spiritual Gifts)
6. Caring for the poor (selling and giving)
7. Fellowship with Believers (breaking bread in the homes)
8. A place where people become Christians. (Lord added to their numbers)
Let’s look at a few verses to see if what started in Acts 2 actually continued:
Here are some more verses:
1. Worshipping God through song and through the teaching of the word faithfully (teaching)
Acts 20:26-30
26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all of you, 27 for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. 29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

Paul spoke the whole counsel of God and encouraged others to guard the flock with sound teaching. Teaching is definitely a key part
2. Elders and accountability
Acts 14:23 And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed.
Matt 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
The church is a place of accountability. When people sin, they are to be disciplined. The church helps us be holy.
Elder are given for leadership and vision. They lead the church with fasting and prayer and they are the vehicle for which the Holy Spirit guides the church
3. Communion – breaking bread together
1 Corinthians 11:23-26
23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

4. A place of prayer
Acts 4:31
31 And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.

Acts 6:6
6 These they set before the apostles, and they prayed and laid their hands on them.

Acts 8:15
15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
Acts 8:22
22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.
Acts 12:12
12 When he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying.
Acts 13:3
3 Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off.

Acts 16:25: About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them,

Acts 20:36: And when he had said these things, he knelt down and prayed with them all.
Acts 21:5: When our days there were ended, we departed and went on our journey, and they all, with wives and children, accompanied us until we were outside the city. And kneeling down on the beach, we prayed

Praying was a huge part of their lives…


5. Spiritual Gifts
Romans 1:11-12: 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you— 12 that is, that we may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith, both yours and mine.

There are other verses, like Romans 12 and 1 Corinthians 12 which talk about using your gift to build up the body. Church is a place to serve and be served.
6. Caring for the poor
Acts 4:32-37: 32 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold 35 and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. 36 Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, 37 sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

Money was truly God’s and the church used it to help so that no one was needy.

7. Fellowship with believers
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

A fellowship based on holiness and Spirit-producing love.

8. A place where you become Christians

Acts 16:5 So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily.
The goal is for a church to grow in number, to be a conduit for many coming to faith in Christ by both building up believers to share their faiths as well as having communities that demonstrate Christ-centered living.
So, in essence you see the pattern of the first church was exactly what the churches patterned themselves after.

It just seems so simple and it makes sense. Why has something that should be so good turn out so bad? Why does it seem like Hell is prevailing? Where are we missing the boat?
Well, I really think if you take one of these factors out, your church will miss out.
No good worship or teaching? God isn’t God.
No real fellowship? No one grows and enjoy the sweetness of Christian relationships.
No elders and accountability? No accountability, no vision and no church discipline.
And so on.
The biggest problem with churches is that they have sinners in them and sinners tend to make a mess of things. It seems so simple and yet our pride, our worldliness and our selfishness tends to make a ruin of what should be the most holy.
So, Church is important and here are some things you should look for in a church.
As far as community goes, what makes good community?
In a general, a community that functions within a church setting will have some of the above characteristics of a church. Obviously there will be no elders, but a small group is for fellowship, sharing meals, serving each other with our gifts and helping the poor. What makes a great community? I would say if you are in the word, praying together, eating and serving the poor in some ways together, you will have a great group. The problem is that sometimes we just Bible study ourselves to death. Bible study is great, but you know enough to change the world. Instead of being inward, go outward and do it together. Pick a place of ministry and do it together. If you look at the next verse, what are we to stir one another to do? LOVE and GOOD WORKS.

Hebrews 10:23-25
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

It isn’t but it should be the center of all our communities. Loving people and doing good works out of the Hope that comes from the Word of God and the future hope that we have in Heaven. The Word should lead us to works. It is not either or but both and.

If you are not in a good community, you need to be in one. If your main sense of community is not good community, don’t leave it necessarily. That could be a place where you encourage and challenge others to walk with Jesus. But you go find people that can encourage you and pull you forward. This might not be in the place where you might think. I heard a great sermon from Mark Driscoll about finding community in the people he most respected, professors, fathers and others. Good community might not even be with people you really like. The book Life Together by Dietrich Bonhoeffer is an amazing book of how true community should look and the challenges and joys that come with it and yet it isn’t dreamy and wonderful like we sometimes falsely think it should be. We in America really suck at community. I can say that after being in Africa and seeing true community built out of necessity financially and a culture that values interdependency. I would really encourage you to really ask God to give you community that will help shape you to be like His Son. This is a prayer God will always answer I believe God will honor your prayers of being in good community if you pray for it and are willing to accept the people God has for you.
A couple of more random things and there are so many things that could be said right now.
But, here are a couple:
Go to church to give. Give worship to God. Give encouragement to people. Give prayer for your pastor. Give. Give. Give. Who can I encourage? Who can I pray with? Who can I love on? Blessed are the ones who give and the ones who give are usually the ones who receive. Don’t go to critique, criticize, or judge.
Serve somehow. If you are not serving somehow, you are missing out. Service is essential and serving is for your benefit. Help somewhere. Children’s ministry, janitorial, worship. Somewhere. Church is not a spectator sport.
Tithe. You must tithe. Even if your 10% is only 10 dollars a month. Give something. The first fruits of what you get. And give to the church, first.
Look for humble, honest, faithful leaders. This can go a long way in forming a healthy church.
There are no perfect churches. I learned this the hard way in Zambia because having never not worked at a church; I had to find a church. And wow, what a long, painful process that was. When we came back, we decided to just settle in and go with a church. It is not perfect. But, here are no perfect churches. We desire to give and not just receive. The best you can do is have a list like that one above and ask questions of the church, how are they doing in these areas?


Question #3 - Friends don't let friends wander

A few of my close friends have been making choices that I really don't see as following God. One has started this new drinking and going to the bars thing. I think it would be different if there was self control involved but it seems like every time he/she comes back completely drunk. Another is choosing to have sex before marriage. I have somewhat talked to them about their choices and seem to walk away with them mad at me for judging them, which isn't what my intentions are. They are Christians and I don't question that they believe in God. I guess my question is what is my place as a friend? How do I confront them and hold them accountable as Christians? And is there a way to do this without walking away feeling judgmental or feeling bad?


My first thought is, you are not the judge. You are not the judge. One more time, you are NOT the judge. Whether you don’t want to be or whether you really want to be, again, you are not the judge. And, regardless of your motive, whether you want to judge or you don’t want to judge, either way your judgment doesn’t mean a whole lot anyway.
But just in case you aren’t convinced, check this out:
Romans 2:1-4
2 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?

God is the judge who is also super kind so to lead many to repentance. Let him be the judge. You just be humble you.
But, let us not underscore the issue is that there is a True Judge who does judge justly and will judge and condemn sin, and that should be your whole motivation.
Listen to this verse from James 5:19-20:
19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

We know that sin is deceitful and sin leads to death. Sin is death. And when we step into the mess of our friends, and we through gentleness and kindness and courage and joy, bring them back, we are saving them from death and sins upon sins (because our one sin doesn’t just stop there, but sin is like compounding interest, in that it multiplies and spreads to all of the areas in our lives.)

Saving our friends from death should be our goal and our heart’s desire. And that needs to be our motivating force and the thing that precedes us and follows us and motivates us and carries us. It is how we begin and it is how we end. We want to save a wandering friend from death. Just as you might stop a car from coming toward a bridge that is out or rescuing a friend out of a burning house, we must understand and believe that sin leads to death and God judges sin.

Here are a couple of examples:
Psalm 7:11
11 God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day.

God judges right and he feels anger when people sin.

Hebrews 13:4
4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

This is one example of how God judges and “ironically” enough, it is the very sin that your friend is doing. So, when you come to them, you are not judging them. God is the judge of them and your are desperately trying to save your friends from the discipline and consequence and death and punishment from God
It is interesting that I ended with the verse about saving your brothers and sisters from death. Because James has a lot to say about this idea of judging which provides a great process to make sure when we deal with these issues, we are going about them correctly, which, I think complements what was said in the discussion forum. See, before we can talk to them, we need to:
James 2:4
4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

The first sin comes when we become the judge. Again, we are not the judge, and our evil thoughts are a good indication that we are not righteous either.

James 2:12
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.

Remember, that it is under grace that we are going to be judged. So, be merciful and kind and empathetic. If the righteous judge is kind and compassionate, how much more should we be.

James 4:11-12
11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Often as we deal with situations, our condemnation or judging of those sinning turns to speaking evil of them. It is not o.k. unless you want to be judged.

James 5:9
9 Do not grumble against one another, brothers, so that you may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing at the door.

The judge is standing at the door of those who grumble against one another. Not their door, the bad people’s door, but our door... Be careful not to let your desire to help lead you to judgment.

So, saying that, recognizing that we too are just as prone to sin and wandering, that we check ourselves first, we don’t gossip, or ask people to “pray” for them, but we cautiously, humbly, gently, patiently, prayerfully, lovingly show them the sin from the word and the consequences that will come if they do not repent and return to their gracious, kind and loving Father. And when they say, “How dare you judge me,” you can humbly, gently, patiently, prayerfully and lovingly say, I am not the judge, but God is the judge of all of us, and we need to obey Him for His sake and ours.

Matthew 18 provides a great plan if they are involved in a church. Show them their sin, and if they refuse to change, then bring a couple more. If they still do not want to change, then bring it before the church.

Overall, what would you want someone to do for you if you were them and they were you. That is love. I still remember a conversation in college where I was namedropping big time, trying to be important because I knew someone important. My buddy dropped the hammer hard, challenging me to not be like that. I retreated like a hurt puppy, but what a difference that has made in my life. And since then, many times in my wandering, I have been rescued by faithful friends. Remember, friends don’t let friends wander. Be a friend, even if it costs you a friendship.

Question #2 - Spirit and Emotion

Spirit vs. Emotion…
“I feel like a lot of churches and Christians have become sensation seekers. How do I differentiate my emotion from the Spirit of God? How do I focus more on God, instead of what I feel? How do I explain this balance to my peers?’”

So, when I saw that question for the first time, I instantly saw myself about 20 years ago. It was my freshmen year in college and I was home for a break. I went and I saw my youth pastor and asked, “What is it about this tongues thing?” I had been at Crossroads Baptist Church (before it has switched to Crossroads Bible Church) my whole Christian life. Crossroads is as solid as granite on doctrine and part of that doctrine is to steer clear from all charismatic beliefs. At least is was then. My first year of Bible College, I met a lot of people, including many charismatics. What was this? I went to a black church one time and I saw what I had never seen before, people dancing in the aisles, people asking the Holy Spirit to fill them and heal them and do a jigety-jig in them. As I progressed through my college years at U.W., I met a few good friends who were legitimately godly people AND who were deeply charismatic. I know, amazing to me, too. I had a year in Hong Kong and my best friends there were very charismatic. I have a friend now who is famous for his blog and his belief in both a solid granite doctrine beliefs like Crossroads and yet he is also a charismatic. How can this be? There seems to be more of these kinds of people that are both mind-theological people and heart-charismatic people. I wrote a paper in seminary on why tongues were not for today. I have had very conservative friends whom I highly respect who have been raised in similar conservative circles that are on the same journey towards, what I call the middle, and that encourages me. So, I know that I am not alone.

And all of this climaxes into the last year and half I have been writing a novel on the Holy Spirit. Yeah, baby, I am writing a book. So, to say this question is something I have wrestled with for the last bunch of years is an understatement. The problem is that I am still wrestling and probing and asking questions and trying to figure it all out. (And yet I wonder if that is a bad thing at all. More on that later.)

But, in my young 38 ½ years of age (today is my half birthday), I have seen things and heard things and learned things. And so what it is worth, here it is: For most of you reading this, you are probably like me. You are on the conservative side of things and have been told to beware of all things charismatic. And yet as you entered college and met people and heard things, you have wondered about it all. I am not sure if this question is about charismatic vs. conservative, but I don’t see any other churches out there who are “sensation” seekers other than charismatics, so that is why I am basing my thoughts around this.

So here goes my attempt to answer this question, while also addressing the two that gave some great dialogue thoughts for getting this dialogue going (Thank you Jani and Ben… Please dialogue…Even small posts, verses, quotes, whatever…)

I want to start my thoughts by using a quote from the man, John Piper, a conservative feeler, as my starting point which I think answers the questions and gets it off and running in a great way.

“For many people the work of the head and the overflow of the heart are at odds. Thinking and feeling are like oil and water; they repulse each other.

Whatever the reason for this tension that exists in so many people, my own experience, my awareness of the experience of others in history, and my understanding of the Bible teach me that it is neither a necessary tension nor a healthy one, at least not to the degree that most people experience it. My goal is to help us all become the kind of folk for whom sound thinking kindles deep feeling and for whom deep feeling motivates sound thinking. Most of the opposition we feel between the heart and the head is, I think, due to learned behavior patterns which do not necessarily result from the nature of our emotions or our thought. We have been warned so often about not becoming a cold intellectual that we have trouble imagining the possibility of intellect that lights fires instead of putting them out. Or on the other side we have been taught to be so wary of fanatic emotionalism that we can scarcely believe that a tear in someone’s eye might be coming from a holy syllogism instead of a pathological passion.

God has given us minds and demanded that we use them in understanding and applying his Word. And God has given us emotions which are equally essential and which he has commanded to be vigorously engaged in his service.

If we neglect the mind we will drift into all sorts of doctrinal error and dishonor God who wills to be known as he is. And if we neglect the heart we will be dead while we yet live no matter how right our creed is. “This people honors me with their lips but their heart is far from me.” So my goal for us is that we put together what so many keep apart to their own hurt. Let us be clear in our heads and warm in our hearts. Let us feel with all our might and think with all our might."

Boom. So there it is. It is not one or the other, it is both. The problem is that we always tend to fall to one side. How do we stay in the middle? How do we do both? Well, the question for most of us is how do we feel our faith? How do we let our heart get as excited as our mind? I guess, first, by realizing that emotion is not only o.k. but also necessary. I know that most of you have experienced that kind of emotion only at a retreat or something unusual, but not on a normal basis. The second is, by getting in the word, by delighting in the word, by meditating on it day and night. The question is, is it easier to go from the word to excitement than from excitement to the word? Would you rather be a charismatic coming to middle in seeking the word or be a conservative coming back to the middle to have experiences?!?!? I don’t know the answer to that.

In Zambia, I work with a lot of pastors and more specifically, I teach 15 pastors regularly. There are some who come from very charismatic backgrounds and as we teach them the word, they see their erring of the Charismatic church which focuses all on emotion and experience. As they get grounded in the Word, they find their excitement getting stronger and stronger as they balance feeling with the Word. We also have some Anglicans and Baptist who are solid in the Word but lacking in feeling maybe. And as they spend time learning the Word with us, they find themselves getting more and more feeling in their faith, I think. We are coming to a place in our class where we stop trying to defend and throw stones, but to be at a place where both are necessary.

As I was thinking through this topic, I realized that how we show emotion is different and that could be cause for some of the confusion: There is a book called Sacred Pathways written by a guy named Gary Thomas who lives in Bellingham. He writes about nine ways that people feel God.

Here is summary of spiritual temperaments:
Intellectual - Loving God with the Mind:
These Christians live in the world of concepts. They may feel closest to God when they first understand something new about Him.

Contemplative - Loving God through Adoration:
These Christians seek to love God with the purest, deepest, and brightest love imaginable. They want nothing more than some privacy and quiet to gaze upon the face of their heavenly Lover and give all of themselves to God.

Enthusiast - Loving God with Mystery & Celebration:
Excitement and mystery in worship is the spiritual lifeblood of enthusiasts. They are inspired by joyful celebration; cheerleaders for God and the Christian life. They don't want to just know concepts, but to experience them, to feel them, and to be moved by them. They like to let go and experience God on the precipice of excitement and awe.

Caregiver - Loving God by Loving Others:
Caregivers serve God by serving others. They often claim to see Christ in the poor and needy, and their faith is built up by interacting with other people. Caring for others recharges a caregiver's batteries.

Activist - Loving God Through Confrontation:
These Christians define worship as standing against evil and calling sinners to repentance. They are energized more by interaction with others, even in conflict, than by being alone or in small groups. Activists are spiritually nourished through the battle.

Ascetic - Loving God in Solitude and Simplicity:
Ascetics want nothing more than to be left alone in prayer. Let there be nothing to distract them--no pictures, no loud music--and leave them alone to pray in silence and simplicity.

Traditionalist - Loving God Through Ritual and Symbol:
Traditionalists are fed by what are often termed the historic dimensions of faith: rituals, symbols, sacraments, and sacrifice. They tend to have a disciplined life of faith and have a need for ritual and structure.

Sensate - Loving God with the Senses:
Sensate Christians want to be lost in the awe, beauty, and splendor of God. They are drawn particularly to the liturgical, the majestic, the grand. They want to be filled with sights, sounds, and smells that overwhelm them. The five senses are God's most effective inroad to their hearts.

Naturalist - Loving God Out of Doors:
The naturalist seeks to leave the formal architecture and the padded pews to enter an entirely new "cathedral", a place that God himself has built: the out-of-doors.

The reason I like this is because where some people might show the excitement of God by clapping and shouting, others are more about being somber and doing rituals and symbols and both are being totally sensationally and emotional in their faith, just in different ways.

(If you want to see where you are: go to this link for an online assessment: it is pretty cool and interesting. http://www.sacchurch.org/action-steps/sacred_pathways.htm )

So to answer the question, the foundation has to be the word, but the Word is alive, not dead. There must be emotion and the mind working together to know and feel God. Sometimes emotion leads to the word. Other times emotion must be pulled along and stirred up and kindled afresh. But, both are important and necessary to know and feel God. As you know yourself better and experience God in pathways that are more you, than you can kindle your time with God in more efficient and effective ways that add feeling to truth. This will also help you from being judgmental and critical of others.

It is true that there have been charismatic churches that have gone way beyond in my opinion. But, are there conservative churches that have done the same? If your church is not preaching the word, but is really excited, than, I think you are in trouble and your friends are in trouble. But if your church is preaching the word but it seems more like a classroom than a worship service, that could be a problem, too.

Regarding the charismatic ways, I would encourage you to learn from them and let God teach you through them. Seek the Holy Spirit and allow Him to fill you with emotion and feeling and to stir up for you passion and joy. If you are charismatic, make sure you are involved in a church that teaches the word. The feelings, while at times may seem to be wonderful, but if they are not genuine or coming from the word, they will not last if they are not attached to substance (maybe like eating candy. It taste good, but doesn’t last.) The answer isn’t either/or. It is both. And that is the beauty, and the difficulty of it all.

I guess my biggest point that I have learned over the years is to just be humble. Be humble with your friends. Learn from them. Ask questions. Grow in your understanding and in your knowledge. The key is Jesus Christ, crucified, risen again, living in us, bestowing on us the Holy Spirit for the Glory of God. That is the foundation of truth. But, beyond that there is a lot of room for learning.

Thoughts?